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DT at 10:47 on 05 July
Robert,
One of the problems is that the astrologers are obviously not aware that the actual independence (or rather declaration/resolution thereof) is on the morning of July 2, 1776. The 4th was merely the day it was publicized.
DT at 10:47 on 05 July
Robert,
One of the problems is that the astrologers are obviously not aware that the actual independence (or rather declaration/resolution thereof) is on the morning of July 2, 1776. The 4th was merely the day it was publicized.
After voting for independence on July 2, Congress
turned its attention to the declaration. Over several days of debate, Congress
made a number of alterations to the text, including adding the wording of Lee's
resolution of independence to the conclusion. The text of the declaration was
approved by Congress on July 4 and sent off to be printed.
John Adams wrote his wife Abigail on July 3:
The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival. It ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports,
John Adams wrote his wife Abigail on July 3:
The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival. It ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports,
Robert Currey at 11:50 on 06 July
D,
Astrologers have long debated the date and time of the founding of the United States. A few agree with you and other constitutional historians. They work from a chart for July 2nd 1776 – the date of the vote for independence. These astrologers generally use a time of 4pm based on the arrival of Caesar Rodney from DE.
D,
Astrologers have long debated the date and time of the founding of the United States. A few agree with you and other constitutional historians. They work from a chart for July 2nd 1776 – the date of the vote for independence. These astrologers generally use a time of 4pm based on the arrival of Caesar Rodney from DE.
However, many more astrologers use July 4th for
various reasons:
1.The Declaration of Independence was finalized, engrossed, allegedly signed and arguably first printed on 4th. The historical significance of this event was immense:
a.As Adams explained to his wife on 3rd July ‘You will see in a few days a Declaration setting forth the Causes which have impelled Us into this mighty Revolution and the Reasons which will justify it in the sight of God and Man’
b.The French required a legal, signed Declaration in order to recognize and form an official alliance with the new nation. [BTW I was told this & do you have any knowledge of this?]
c. Without a formal ceremony of a coronation, which had been the marker for the founding of nations in the past, the Declaration provided a formal document justifying and proclaiming independence to the world.
2. Astrologers have traditionally worked with a symbolic date rather than one that is arguably strictly historical. Nick Campion in ‘The Book of World Horoscopes’ writes that “The Declaration… is a profound expression of the American myth, or the American dream as it is commonly known”.
3. As 4th July has become “America’s birthday” in the consciousness of almost everyone around the world, this date has added significance for astrologers. In the same way, there are many charts for the United Kingdom, but most astrologers use the coronation of William in London in 1066 as the birth chart. One reason is that 1066 is a date embedded in the national consciousness.
4.Lastly, the least objective argument, but most personally compelling for an astrologer, is that I and many other astrologers find that the Sibly chart for 5.10pm on 4 July 1776 resonates with significant events such as 911 in the history of the USA.
1.The Declaration of Independence was finalized, engrossed, allegedly signed and arguably first printed on 4th. The historical significance of this event was immense:
a.As Adams explained to his wife on 3rd July ‘You will see in a few days a Declaration setting forth the Causes which have impelled Us into this mighty Revolution and the Reasons which will justify it in the sight of God and Man’
b.The French required a legal, signed Declaration in order to recognize and form an official alliance with the new nation. [BTW I was told this & do you have any knowledge of this?]
c. Without a formal ceremony of a coronation, which had been the marker for the founding of nations in the past, the Declaration provided a formal document justifying and proclaiming independence to the world.
2. Astrologers have traditionally worked with a symbolic date rather than one that is arguably strictly historical. Nick Campion in ‘The Book of World Horoscopes’ writes that “The Declaration… is a profound expression of the American myth, or the American dream as it is commonly known”.
3. As 4th July has become “America’s birthday” in the consciousness of almost everyone around the world, this date has added significance for astrologers. In the same way, there are many charts for the United Kingdom, but most astrologers use the coronation of William in London in 1066 as the birth chart. One reason is that 1066 is a date embedded in the national consciousness.
4.Lastly, the least objective argument, but most personally compelling for an astrologer, is that I and many other astrologers find that the Sibly chart for 5.10pm on 4 July 1776 resonates with significant events such as 911 in the history of the USA.
One argument in favour of a US horoscope in the morning of July 4 1776 was that the 'bells in Philadelphia rang out in the middle of the day'. This may refer to the Liberty Bell and the following report from the Independence Hall Association (ushistory.org) suggests that this story is apocryphal:
"In 1847, George Lippard wrote a fictional story for The Saturday Currier which told of an elderly bellman waiting in the State House steeple for the word that Congress had declared Independence. The story continues that privately he began to doubt Congress's resolve. Suddenly the bellman's grandson, who was eavesdropping on the doors of Congress, yelled to him, "Ring, Grandfather! Ring!" This story so captured the imagination of people throughout the land that the Liberty Bell was forever associated with the Declaration of Independence. The truth is that the steeple was in bad condition and historians today highly doubt that the Bell actually rang in 1776. However, its association with the Declaration of Independence was fixed in the collective mythology." [source]
4th July 1776 5.10pm Philadelphia. This Horoscope for the USA was first proposed by Ebenezer Sibly (1751-1799). It is controversial as there are contending dates and many proposed times for the founding of the United States of America.
Now, since '4th July 1776' has been established and celebrated almost universally by Americans and around the world as the official Independence Day, most astrologers agree that a chart for this day is going to resonate most strongly with the nation. This still leaves the question "What time was the document signed or did it become official?" Now here there is much disagreement. It is even debated which delegates, if any, signed on July 4th. [see] Why do I favour Sibly's time of 5.10pm?
Note: I have selected information that supports my theory and do not claim to have done original research into this. I realize there are many records that give persuasive support for at least 10 other US horoscopes. I would reccommend that any astrologer, wishing to use a USA chart, explore the many theories. Robert Currey, 4th July 2009 |